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explode the bazaars are or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Beckley

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and team sports Wow Tim look at all

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those strange glowing orbs all around

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this this is really weird and they're

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moving closer do you think they're

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intelligent mm-hmm maybe they were

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swaying to our opening theme music oh

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watch out they're getting closer

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gosh you could almost reach out and

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touch him yikes this is too close for

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comfort

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oh my god maybe we can get to the safety

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in the basement of the White House mmm

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not sure if that's such a good idea

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there could be a bunch of them or

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something else down there as well well

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maybe one of our guests and I can tell

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us how to evade these these these orbs

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because they well we're going to find

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out if they're dangerous or not and what

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the meaning of all these mysterious

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lights could possibly be and that in

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addition to Nikola Tesla and Otis T car

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and some other really hot button whole

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topics right Tim oh yes that's right and

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weird science that's something that I'm

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always interested in you know just kind

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of out of the mainstream so to speak but

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you know I mean science that used to be

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considered had on the mainstream is now

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accepted so you know who knows in a few

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years time this what what kind of

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wonderful things will be a

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really an everyday part of our life well

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you are our weird science man there is

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no doubt about that you were recently

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involved in a History Channel miniseries

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called the Tesla files and I have right

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here in front of me

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one of the many books that you've done

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of course you're best known for the lost

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journals of Nikola Tesla but this other

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book is is really fascinating because it

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goes beyond Tesla it's men of mystery

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Nikola Tesla and Otis T card car weird

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adventures of the strangest men who ever

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lived and that's going to be one of our

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topics tonight but without further ado

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why don't you tell our listeners who we

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have hovering just outside here in our

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kco our digital radio studios will be my

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pleasure Tim well tonight we have got

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some really fantastic guests we have

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Ralph and Marshall ring now Ralph ring

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had ongoing interest and participation

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in areas of esoteric and ether knowledge

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and technologies so after leaving the US

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Army in 1954 he began ongoing search for

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answers to many questions concerning the

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unknown he worked for a u.s. government

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funded research facility in the areas of

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magnetic levitation and teleportation

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and his search eventually led him to the

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realities and participation of

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teleportation and esoteric consciousness

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now Ralph is a natural scientist and a

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creative technician who in the early

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1960s worked together with Otis T Carr

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who was a prodigy of Nikola Tesla and a

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team of dedicated scientist on

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alternative technologies one of which

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was teleportation he was one of three to

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pilot the man-made spaceship the OTC x1

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his dream since birth has been to

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produce levitating homes cities and

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countries he and his spiritual partner

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and wife Marcia talked on expanding

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consciousness and natural law which

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enables people to see the simplicity's

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of all things there by bringing their

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dreams closer to reality now Marcia

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who's also with us tonight is an

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ordained minister and work for Bendix

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field engineering incorporated in the

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1970s a deep space tracking station

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where she experienced the tracking of

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unknown objects and experienced a JPL

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laboratories knowing that there was life

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in the multiverse not just sure just how

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to communicate with them so together

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Ralph and Marcia share their experiences

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of their great life sharing with the

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audiences that we are much more than we

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realize we are one that we have been

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searching for now with us as well is

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Wilbur Allen now Wilbur is engineer

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inventor and is no stranger to UFO

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encounters he had an alien encounter at

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the age of five which left him

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face-to-face with a group of grey ETS

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engineer for ABC News and a contract

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photographer at National Geographic

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sightings and anomalies discussed NASA's

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confirmation of the existence of hidden

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portals in the Earth's magnetic field he

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related these portals to wormholes and

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believes that they are the means that ET

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craft travel into our world and between

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dimensions wormholes associated with the

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bluebird was likely seen ET craft

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traveling out of the South Pole wormhole

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wormholes could lead to another universe

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of dimension and may account for unusual

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disappearances and anomalies such as in

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the Bermuda Triangle now Allen says that

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all the reports associated with UFOs for

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example objects show up on radar and

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then mysteriously disappear that they're

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entering and exiting through

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portals associated with these wormholes

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now Alan's books include a close close

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encounter of the Third Kind at the US

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Capitol close encounter of the Third

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Kind Baltimore Maryland and a close

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encounter of the Third Kind the

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Washington Monument so I want to welcome

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Wilbur and Ralph and wash the ring thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the bizarre having well you

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know I want you yeah I I wanted to start

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out by asking you will were a couple of

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questions Wilbur last time I hooked up

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event that he has once or twice a year

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was were on the phone or whatever

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because I remember he was there like in

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well it's I'm wondering where to begin

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on this because there's so much to to

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cover but let's go back a few years now

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you say you had a in encounter when you

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were 5 years old where was that and what

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are the circumstances behind that I was

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I was 5 years old and I was at a US

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military base in the United Kingdom

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called skull Thorpe which was the RAF

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USAF joint venture sac base and my

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parents worked with nuclear weapons and

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I believe that the extraterrestrials

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that came and visited my family

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initially came and visited my parents

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nuclear weapons and that because I'm an

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offspring of my parents and my parents

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were interracial that they were

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interested in my genetic background and

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they indeed came into my room and

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implanted me when I was 5 years old on

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this base and now okay so you have a

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collection of this taking place can you

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describe what that what they look like

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when I when I it's not a recognition I

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was completely awake when when they when

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they came into my room I was basically

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in my dad playing with my toys Nomos

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little kids do when their parents put

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them to bed and I'm messing around with

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my little GI Joe and all of a sudden the

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door to my room

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opens and I don't see my father walking

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which is a tall individual I see these

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small childlike bipeds which were grace

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what we would call grace I had never

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seen an extraterrestrial at all at any

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point of my life whether the kid yeah

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would have been before with retrievers a

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communion book or or any yeah anything

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really on the on the subject and I don't

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even think the in the science fiction

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movie well what year what did this what

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the time of Betty and Barney Hill but

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not maybe would actually really yeah

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okay so here they come marching how many

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of them were there there were about five

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or six of them but it's interesting you

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mentioned Benny and Barney Hill because

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Betty Hill took photographs of the

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objects that were in her presence while

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extraterrestrials and the photographs

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that she took were consistent with the

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anomalies I encountered at the US

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Capitol building July 16 2002 but to go

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even further with this the aliens that

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the hills described were exactly as the

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aliens were when they came into my room

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as a child what was more abstract though

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was what they put into me they put

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something into me that caused my body to

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go into rejection mode so for seven

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I vomited and the doctors couldn't

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understand why I was vomiting and they

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couldn't find any reason why I was

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vomiting and I was vomiting on a nightly

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basis the doctors were giving me

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medications and stop the vomiting which

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is vomiting did not stop at all so it

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after seven years when the vomiting

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objects started coming out of the sky

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and landing in front of me and it forced

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me to start carrying cameras okay now

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what what did your parents say did you

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parents something if you were vomiting

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every everyone my parents had the same

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encounter that night that's what was

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interesting about it my father and

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mother were adamant about not talking

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about it and my father was military

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intelligence and back in those days as

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Cold War era when they had secrets

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whatever secrets my parents had they

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went to the grave with them that's how

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that's how secretive my mother and

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father are and with that in mind and my

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father was also a Vietnam veteran which

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Agent Orange took his life in Vietnam we

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documented green spheres over to tarmac

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at Cam Ranh Bay which were which was

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documented during the day and it just so

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happens at the US Capitol building as I

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was having a close encounter with

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whatever these objects were it was a

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formation of green spheres and they were

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landing in the rear of the reflection

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pool they were landing in taft park they

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landed on a roof of the US Capitol

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Capitol Police officers were reported

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objects anomalous objects and their

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reports which landed that night that I

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had my close encounter so I had other

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individuals and made professional

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reports associated to the event that I

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but he got even further because the

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green objects that I document were also

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documented by the crew of Apollo 7

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Apollo 11 dr. Mitchell on the lunar

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surface

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crew of Apollo 16 and a crew of Apollo

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17 so we have physical documentation in

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space of these green objects but mine

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was the first however on earth and mine

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was directly in front of me so I would

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say just based on the documentation

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itself mine was probably the best

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documentation of debris and fire falls

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even compared to what NASA hasn't filed

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right now so with that in mind I have to

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go to Edgar Mitchell and talk about

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these events and Edgar Mitchell

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basically confirmed the data now how did

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you hook up with him

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originally because I would imagine at

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the the peak of his interest in UFOs and

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and all he was well of course he was

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even retired from the astronaut program

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but and but fairly busy I mean he must

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have been very impressed by what you had

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to say in order to take the amount of

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time that he did to work with you on

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this he was he was more than impressed

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but what was the selling point all that

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was the data that I gathered in Sedona

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Arizona while filming uncovering aliens

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for the Discovery Network and in Sedona

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I set up my camera and these objects

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materialized

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when I say materialize there was no

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possibility for an object to fly into

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the airspace on the film it showed it

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incrementally materialized into the

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airspace I videoed that the very same

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event was documented on the lunar

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surface during Apollo 14 on dr.

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Mitchell's eb a1 and during evey a 1 dr.

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Mitchell just happened to notice an

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object which we shall describe let's say

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as about three aircraft carriers in

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length materialized in the space in

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front of them on the lunar surface for

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about five or six seconds and be

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materialized it essentially was the same

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kind of craft that I was documenting in

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area 51 in Sedona Arizona in a North

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Pole when I filmed with the Annie and

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the History Channel for missing in

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Alaska all of the objects that I was

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able to document on earth have been

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documented on the lunar surface by the

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degrees of Apollo astronauts well

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definitely there's a lot of strange

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things going on in Sedona I've had a

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number of synchronicities down there

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which just kind of boggle the mind and I

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found that the synchronicities play a

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key part in the UFO phenomena but okay

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so you after your first contact did you

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have anything after that I mean you were

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five years old what was your next as a

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child eight they constantly keep in mind

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my parents military so my father did is

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25 years in a extended tour in Vietnam

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which was eight years

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so in the duration of his military

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career I stayed on military bases and

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all the military bases that I lived on

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these extraterrestrials would appear in

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my room on every base well now do you

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say monogenic yeah do you think that

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anybody in authority knew that this was

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going on and and did they try to what's

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the word I'm looking for here track your

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activities I mean the people in the

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military did they try to keep tabs on

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you well you know the military is an

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interesting organization you know my

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father being military intelligence in

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having contacts within the military

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community had ways of making things

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disappear you know one of the things

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they never talked about and on military

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bases especially and I noticed this when

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I was a child because in first grade I

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started telling the kids in my class

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that I'd make contact with aliens and

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the teachers didn't like that and in the

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course of their action to separate me

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from the other individuals in the school

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system they put me in the school for

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special ed special ed students so for

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from first grade to seventh grade I was

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in special ed only because I started

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talking about extraterrestrials to my

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classmates in school so you can't talk

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about aliens on a military base to

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military kids as those military kids

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going to go back and tell their parents

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and their parents are going to go back

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and and all the information that you

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hear is going to go it spreads within

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the community so they tried to keep

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everything hush and they did keep

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everything hush my father worked in

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military intelligence and he did things

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for example in Vietnam they investigated

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the crash to b-52 which they found in

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the jungle it was placed there didn't

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crash it was placed there can you

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imagine an aircraft being placed in the

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jungle with the crew impact and

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mutilated and that's what they saw and

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that's when they found a fully intact be

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52 with a crew impact strapped in their

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seats which was even more bizarre as the

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insects and the bugs and the people

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around there the natives and the

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Vietcong not go near it well now you say

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mutilated well obviously you're giving

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us an indication that

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the house behind well okay so who are

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these greys doing that well they didn't

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know they never really got into it

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because you know it was interesting it

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right I my father and his associates

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were their sons and daughters were

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classmates of mine and when you eat last

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mates singing things about what their

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parents did and you heard your parents

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say the exact same thing then you knew

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that what they were into was not

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something anybody else would want to get

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into it all of our all of our my friends

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talked about this event and in in the

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case what they experienced in Vietnam in

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the jungle on this be fifty to the Croom

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intact

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when they came back to the base they

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spent two three days getting drunk

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Hardwell killer they were like getting

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smashed I could I could I could imagine

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that why now we did a book just that

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recently been out about a couple of

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weeks in our UFO hostilities and we had

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a few cases in there some from Vietnam

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and there was a an incident that

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supposedly took place near the whites

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and the proving grounds where there was

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a sergeant that was mutilated well what

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what's the purpose of these mutilations

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well you know I'm thinking more along

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the line of spare parts and you know

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when the eyes and the genitals and

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crucial organs were removed and that in

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the removal of those crucial organs no

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blood was spilled then they knew

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immediately that there was a level of

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intelligence there in terms of medical

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science and surgery that was more

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advanced than anything anybody had ever

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seen before because everybody was

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mutilated and there wasn't a drop of

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blood in that aircraft so you think that

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the these bigs I mean do you have a name

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for them or you just calm the grazier

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well it's hard to say because I know the

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ones that encountered me as a child have

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been monitoring me for as long as I can

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remember have not been hostile to me in

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fact he's in giving the Indy

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haters as to when and where to

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photograph these objects that I

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photograph now on a nightly basis so I

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know that there is that communications

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associated to whatever is piloting that

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those crafts is indeed in contact with

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me at a telepathic level and I

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understand that understood that when I

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was a child when they implanted me

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because I could hear their thoughts and

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they could hear my thoughts but they

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didn't move their mouths and I could

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hear them and what have they indicated

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to you their reason for coming areas no

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no indications at all it's absolutely

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abstract in fact what I believe is that

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they've basically groomed me to document

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their entry and exiting our airspace and

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that's basically what I'm doing I'm

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documenting these objects entering these

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air spaces and exiting the air spaces

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and not through conventional means I'm

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talking spatial portals which you

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mentioned earlier during the opening of

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the show as NASA confirmed that but what

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NASA is not telling people and which is

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a great error in NASA's research was

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they basically associated those portals

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to the remuda and Alaska triangles where

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in reality those portals can be

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associated anywhere I documented a

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portal in area 51 Nevada I documented a

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portal in Sedona Arizona I documented a

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portal in shreveport Arizona I

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documented a portal in the North Pole so

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wait a minute I'm getting the same

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objects and all of the locations I do

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research it must indicate that those

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spatial anomalies which NASA says are

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only in the last computer triangles are

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also associated to any area of interest

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that these extraterrestrials have

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established so you're talking about them

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coming through like wormholes or

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stargates

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it's wormholes it's a network it's like

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it's like if you understand the theories

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behind the 4G network like the Verizon

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4G network which I'm not selling Verizon

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but I'm I'm going to use that as an

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example you have these networks where

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all of the phones within the network all

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operate autonomously and under the same

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rule on the same governance and that

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means okay I can call somebody in

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Colorado in real time and talk to them

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in real time even though I'm on the East

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Coast

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now imagine on

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grander scale a portal which allows you

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to do transports from one area to

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another at a blink of an eye

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like like the Stargate per se and you

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had those portals established in areas

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of interests meaning Washington DC like

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a couple blocks from the White House

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where I was getting it in DC or you know

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near the near the Capitol building where

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I was getting them above the roof of the

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Capitol building the dome itself so we

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have the locations generalized based on

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the activity that's documented within

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the reasons that we do our research yet

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so understanding that when I do research

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in in airspace for example right very

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unfortunate Wilbert unfortunate I'm

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gonna have to interrupt you here because

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we have to go to our bottom of the hour

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break when we come back we'll bring

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Ralph and Marcia wing into the

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conversation so stay tuned we'll be

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee panting Swift's all right welcome

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back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim

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Schwarz and we're gonna bring now Ralph

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and Marsha ring into the studios now and

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I note that Oh several years ago is Tim

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Buckley mentioned I had written a book

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called men of mystery which dealt with

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Nikola Tesla and Otis T car

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unfortunately when I wrote this book I

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had not heard about Ralph's ring at the

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time which is unfortunate because he

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would have added so much more to this

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book I think Tim that maybe we should

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reissue this book sometime and add a few

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extra chapters that have you know

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Ralph's commentary on what actually

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happened with Otis and his his flying

550
00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:02,650
saucer but Ralph Marsha I'm so happy to

551
00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:04,780
have you end on exploring the Bazaar

552
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:09,100
tonight thank you thank you likewise all

553
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:11,410
right so Ralph won't you tell our

554
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:13,900
listeners a little bit about your

555
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:16,840
background now you know we'll in the

556
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:18,930
first part of the show was talking about

557
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:23,710
some of his you know early encounters

558
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:26,530
now when you were younger did you have

559
00:25:32,970 --> 00:25:30,370
any you know unusual experiences that

560
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:32,980
kind of put you on this path that you're

561
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:36,400
still on today yeah I had quite a few

562
00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:39,490
experiences I where I live now it's

563
00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:42,940
paradise California and I was raised up

564
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:45,700
here and my sister and I used to walk

565
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:47,950
seven miles the school round trip every

566
00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:52,230
day and we got well acquainted with with

567
00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:55,180
the animals of the birds the beetles

568
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,300
everything when we're in our travels

569
00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:00,400
back and forth and we found that in

570
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,140
nature everything is

571
00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:04,960
simple or it isn't complicated and you

572
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:07,630
can communicate on many levels with

573
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:11,050
nature if you let go of the idea you

574
00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:15,670
have to talk so we learned that we learn

575
00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:19,540
many things of how the natural laws work

576
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:22,630
and when you eliminate fear in our

577
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,240
journey we were having all kinds of

578
00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:28,120
experiences with wild animals and

579
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:30,430
everything kind of we were feeding deer

580
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:31,960
out of our hands and everything it was

581
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:33,970
nothing it was it seemed perfectly

582
00:26:42,050 --> 00:26:38,590
natural and it to us it was and that

583
00:26:47,550 --> 00:26:42,060
didn't change until I went out in the

584
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:47,560
exterior world if you will and I went

585
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:51,970
out and discovered everything seemed to

586
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:54,760
be going backwards not it was

587
00:27:01,760 --> 00:26:57,850
counterproductive they weren't I I was

588
00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:01,770
shocked to see you know that where's the

589
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:05,320
where's the technology here there's

590
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:08,050
nothing that that hasn't been going on

591
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:09,970
for a long period of time that's any

592
00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:15,480
different and so and I saw a lot of

593
00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:18,340
misconceptions in in the technology and

594
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:22,660
a lot of misuse of the technology and a

595
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:28,050
lot of people were were listening and

596
00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:30,850
accepting things that were very

597
00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:34,470
difficult to understand that that I had

598
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:37,060
because of my experience found very very

599
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:40,600
simple so I decided well what am I going

600
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:42,850
to do with my life here this is

601
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:45,910
different totally different and I

602
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:49,020
decided well I've got to find a way to

603
00:27:59,880 --> 00:27:52,710
share with people the simplicity and the

604
00:28:02,820 --> 00:27:59,890
beauty absolute beauty of nature in the

605
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:02,830
perception that I had when I was a kid

606
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:04,420
growing up and I had to share that

607
00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:07,780
because life is quite simple and quite

608
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:10,420
beautiful and to this day it's never

609
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:12,060
changed I've never seen anything that

610
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:15,490
that was that was

611
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:20,500
not on purposely happening to enlighten

612
00:28:28,049 --> 00:28:24,340
people about who and what they are and

613
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:28,059
their the way they perceived life so

614
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:29,860
that that was my younger years and I

615
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:32,470
decided to go ahead I didn't know what

616
00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:34,870
to do when when you're working with

617
00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:36,400
nature you don't work with thought

618
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:40,059
during work you work with feeling so I

619
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:42,970
had to wait for some kind of guidance to

620
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:45,370
show me the way of well how do I get

621
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:48,520
this across the people and I went

622
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:52,710
through some very different and bizarre

623
00:29:00,840 --> 00:28:56,110
experiences that we're all simple in

624
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:00,850
nature but quite different in order to

625
00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:04,440
find a way that that was suitable to

626
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:06,790
enlighten people to wake people up if

627
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,010
you will to who they really are living a

628
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:13,330
authentic life and not knowing at

629
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:16,950
thinking and living in a synthetic life

630
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,910
which our thoughts engage in and it's an

631
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:24,480
exterior life that we create

632
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:28,150
instantaneously and the internal life

633
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:31,480
the authentic life is quite different

634
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:34,090
you don't have to you don't have to have

635
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:36,760
a dictionary or encyclopedia to

636
00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:39,070
understand who you are and what you are

637
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:44,020
and and why you're here so that being

638
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:47,500
said you got another question well you

639
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:49,720
know just just listening to you I mean

640
00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:53,890
you you you sound so much like what I

641
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,120
have read about a Tesla Nikola Tesla and

642
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:00,640
the things that he wrote about and a lot

643
00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:03,820
of a lot of his ideas as well now you

644
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:05,620
know when you were going to school and

645
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:09,130
and and then and then to college and

646
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:14,640
places like that I mean were you taught

647
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:17,290
anything about Tesla because I know when

648
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:21,520
I was in school Tesla I mean you know

649
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:23,770
III did not hear about Tesla and two

650
00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:27,460
years later he was not taught anywhere

651
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:29,800
in any of my classes

652
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:32,260
you know anything anything having to do

653
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:36,760
you know with electricity or or or

654
00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:39,250
whatever you know it was all Edison it's

655
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:42,760
an Edison Edison nothing about Tesla you

656
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:44,680
know I mean what about you I mean you

657
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:47,110
know was the experience similar to

658
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:51,250
yourself yes it was I knew very little I

659
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,620
did I did cross paths with with

660
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:55,840
information from time to time and I

661
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,990
became interested in in what it was

662
00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:01,480
doing that was quite simple in nature

663
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:05,280
and one of those things was building a a

664
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:07,900
circular foil craft that could levitate

665
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:13,080
and teleport the that's not hasn't been

666
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:17,500
publicly put into a lot of the

667
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:20,560
literature but I did find out that that

668
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:24,750
was going on in the late 1800 and early

669
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:30,900
1918 and 1919 so let me ask you this how

670
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:35,290
did you hook up with Otis T a car I

671
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:39,490
remember is a youth listening to him

672
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:42,690
several times on the Long John Neville

673
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:45,370
radio you know show late at night

674
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:48,340
they're talking about his OTC aircraft

675
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:50,680
and in fact somewhere here I think I

676
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:54,820
have the original plans for his starship

677
00:32:03,060 --> 00:31:58,690
he was based out of Baltimore Maryland

678
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:03,070
area how did you did he reach out to you

679
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:05,860
or how did the two of you kind of get

680
00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:09,640
onto the same page well long story short

681
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:11,920
to get get in and a lot of pertinent

682
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:15,610
information here I I had worked at one

683
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:18,690
time in Costa Mesa California in the

684
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:20,650
government funded research and

685
00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:23,000
development laboratory called danced

686
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:27,500
headaches and I got hired on with little

687
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:31,760
or no uh no credentials

688
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:34,820
I was just me and but I knew about

689
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:37,760
magnetism and dr. Reinhardt he was a

690
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:41,810
director of the the Institute that

691
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:45,890
hooked him into inviting me to become a

692
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:49,060
member of their team which was

693
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:54,340
investigation of the bizarre nature of

694
00:33:00,130 --> 00:32:56,930
things and how they worked and one of

695
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:00,140
them was magnetics so I got hired on do

696
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:05,200
too my job was simple I had a giant

697
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:09,830
Scylla scope and a giant they called it

698
00:33:17,770 --> 00:33:15,170
the what a Polaroid for camera and all I

699
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:17,780
had to do was sit there all day long and

700
00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:20,090
try to fire electrons through a magnetic

701
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:21,920
field without deflection without it

702
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:25,370
going positive or negative and I worked

703
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:28,070
there for a long time I was getting

704
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:33,260
bored because they're using force and so

705
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,810
I decided you know I've got it I got

706
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:37,880
approaches so that they know there's a

707
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:40,400
simpler way durand we can advance the

708
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:42,530
technology you don't have to try to

709
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:45,050
force anything in nature it's all simply

710
00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:48,100
happening if you if you relax him and

711
00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:50,540
accumulate the energy instead of trying

712
00:33:57,070 --> 00:33:54,140
to force energy so I went basically I

713
00:34:00,730 --> 00:33:57,080
did several things and but the one that

714
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:00,740
was most pertinent was I went home and

715
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:05,480
tore tore apart of a big computer I got

716
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:08,030
out of the garage took the cathode ray

717
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:10,700
gun out set up a magnetic field

718
00:34:19,060 --> 00:34:15,290
underneath and and like I have learned

719
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:19,070
in nature and I mentioned that you can

720
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:21,649
communicate I started talking to the

721
00:34:28,659 --> 00:34:27,080
electron in my feelings like I know it

722
00:34:32,379 --> 00:34:28,669
sounds a little bizarre but I'm I think

723
00:34:35,110 --> 00:34:32,389
I'm on the right program to say that no

724
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:35,120
it is it in exploring the bizarre you go

725
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:36,460
right ahead

726
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:41,240
okay so I started talking to electron in

727
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:45,260
my in my fashion and and said now we've

728
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:47,810
gotta find out what's going on here and

729
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:50,510
it says what what what I was doing at

730
00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:54,500
work by using in force was suffocating

731
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:56,929
the electron in an innocence and in a

732
00:35:01,890 --> 00:34:58,670
metaphor that people can understand

733
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:01,900
because it was not allowed to breathe

734
00:35:08,109 --> 00:35:05,630
everything in life has to breathe I mean

735
00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:08,119
it sounds bizarre stones breeding trees

736
00:35:14,589 --> 00:35:12,349
breathe everything breathed and we've

737
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:14,599
been only in the technology I've seen

738
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:17,480
trying to force things to work as I was

739
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:23,089
doing it dance kinetics so I the

740
00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:25,700
electron said let me breathe and I said

741
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:27,640
okay I'm gonna fire you through here and

742
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:30,950
give you a millisecond or two and see

743
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:33,530
what happens well the first time I did

744
00:35:38,849 --> 00:35:35,210
which was I don't I don't remember I

745
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:38,859
think a couple of milliseconds pause

746
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:45,040
pulse beat and the electron went into a

747
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,170
vortex your motion spine rolling

748
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:50,560
actually right through and over the

749
00:35:57,010 --> 00:35:53,290
magnetic fields without any deflection

750
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,020
because it was pulsing itself through

751
00:36:05,349 --> 00:35:59,839
breathing instead of being forced to one

752
00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:05,359
side or the other so I'll jump ahead now

753
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:07,400
a little bit so I can get more

754
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:09,950
information in here so I wrote this up

755
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:11,930
took pictures of it and took it into dr.

756
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:16,130
Reinhardt and I said I think I found a

757
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:18,530
simpler way and I'm only a lab tech but

758
00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:20,990
I think I found you turn these over the

759
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:23,060
engineer that's what I've what I'm

760
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:25,780
talking about you're we can advance our

761
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:28,760
ways of doing things around here so he

762
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:31,010
took a look at it and saw what I was

763
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:34,040
doing and said Ralph

764
00:36:41,859 --> 00:36:38,839
I see where you're at you're but you're

765
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:41,869
in room around here because he you don't

766
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:44,140
understand this is a government-funded

767
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:48,230
research and development lab and we're

768
00:37:00,250 --> 00:36:49,610
paid to look for answers

769
00:37:02,170 --> 00:37:00,260
fine alright so yeah that doesn't

770
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:02,180
surprise it well you're not you're not

771
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:04,040
interesting no I'm gonna have to thread

772
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:05,450
this dough you two go back to work I

773
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:06,710
could do a few more bucks in your

774
00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:09,290
envelope but but we were we can't go

775
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:12,080
there this is not it's not in this

776
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:16,940
dimension so I got I went back to work

777
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:19,010
for another week or two and I I remember

778
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:21,650
crying when I left the job I just walked

779
00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:24,410
off I said I'm sorry I I can't do this

780
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:28,460
anymore and on my way home I happened to

781
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:31,970
meet one of my neighbors that had been

782
00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:33,260
going to these meetings called

783
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:35,540
understanding this was located in Costa

784
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:39,860
Mesa California and airfryer is Dan

785
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:42,650
Frank yeah Daniel Frye was a creator of

786
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,230
it and they he said why what's going on

787
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:49,760
I told him the story and I said they're

788
00:37:54,610 --> 00:37:52,280
not interested in this kind of

789
00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:54,620
technology or the simplicity of life

790
00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:57,140
he said well come on over to our meeting

791
00:38:01,360 --> 00:37:59,240
we got a lot of people that want to

792
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:01,370
listen to you and you can do the same

793
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:03,530
about the unusual and bizarre things

794
00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:07,910
that air into it so the next time the

795
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:11,270
meeting came up I was invited and I went

796
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:13,610
there and told them my story and they

797
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,190
and I said well what they asked me what

798
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:18,320
what is your intention I said well I'd

799
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:20,920
like to wake people up a little bit and

800
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:26,090
until tell tales of simplicity back to

801
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:28,670
authenticity so that they can realize

802
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:30,890
who they really are life is perception

803
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:33,650
it's not life isn't what we think it is

804
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:36,860
it isn't it isn't a material life per se

805
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:40,700
it's just perceived as such but it is

806
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:43,880
really our perception that changes

807
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:46,940
things so I said what I want to do I'd

808
00:38:54,820 --> 00:38:51,830
like to build things and based on what

809
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:54,830
I've learned about Teslas technology I'd

810
00:39:01,480 --> 00:38:57,770
like to build spaceships that levitate

811
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:01,490
that travel between dimensions and

812
00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:03,710
portals and so forth

813
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:07,940
and have the floating homes with

814
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:09,770
everything on board you can have farms

815
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:10,940
you can have water you can have

816
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:13,780
everything that you need right on board

817
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:18,650
floating cities floating countries I

818
00:39:24,010 --> 00:39:21,140
mean world where do you stop I remember

819
00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:24,020
but one time I was in Washington State

820
00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:26,120
and I went to Northwest and heard the

821
00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:30,470
buck-buck Fuller and I I got a mat I got

822
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,360
a few minutes to talk to him and he said

823
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:34,400
people don't understand they're living

824
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:37,490
you know you know a giant state of

825
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:42,950
illusion and that until they realize we

826
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:45,710
are in and on a giant spaceship by

827
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:48,680
comparison to to the technology they're

828
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:51,790
using they're locked into a an idea that

829
00:39:59,650 --> 00:39:55,400
seems to be real that is far from the

830
00:40:03,340 --> 00:39:59,660
fullness of reality so anyway they said

831
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:03,350
well wait a minute there just happens to

832
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:05,150
be a guy named Otis car that's in

833
00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:07,990
Baltimore Maryland he was demonstrating

834
00:40:14,290 --> 00:40:11,360
this so he put in a patent for it for a

835
00:40:16,090 --> 00:40:14,300
spaceship and the Patent Office said

836
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:16,100
wait a minute you got a levitation you

837
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:18,770
got teleportation here no you could you

838
00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:20,210
got to take those out we can't give you

839
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:22,070
a patent on that they don't exist in our

840
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:25,250
physics and he and he said well they

841
00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:28,220
exist in ours and we have prototypes to

842
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:32,120
prove it and they said no no no we'll

843
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:35,060
take those out we'll give you a patent

844
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:36,950
on on a measurement device and you can

845
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:39,980
set it up and in parks and let kids ride

846
00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:42,490
on it and stuff and we'll have another

847
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:44,780
Disneyland a lot wasn't the word but

848
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:47,330
we'll have another amusement park going

849
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:54,100
and so that really discouraged car and

850
00:41:00,100 --> 00:40:56,810
he that he'd realized he wasn't going to

851
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:00,110
get very far so he said well okay I'll

852
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:02,450
put all this information and write a

853
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:05,270
book called dimensions of mystery it's

854
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:07,130
it's still available it's in the Library

855
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:12,380
of Congress and in that he wrote prose

856
00:41:17,290 --> 00:41:15,830
and and poems about how simple life

857
00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:17,300
works

858
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:22,540
the sunlight flashing through of a

859
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:26,600
dragonflies we wings that at two o'clock

860
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:29,330
in the afternoon was a very simple

861
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:32,290
formula that would open a portal and

862
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:35,060
change your perception of what you're

863
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:37,790
looking at there you would see things

864
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:40,430
that that the rest of the world couldn't

865
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:44,990
city using your simple imagination which

866
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:48,250
I got scolded for out here all my life

867
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:51,470
and those did you did you did you

868
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:55,450
actually go to a Baltimore and work with

869
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:00,800
Otis T and his laboratory there no no

870
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:03,320
they came they came to us he was running

871
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:05,090
into trouble they thought he was a fraud

872
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:07,160
they thought he was oh yeah iid had some

873
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:09,950
stock problem selling stock of something

874
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:13,160
I think yeah so the understanding group

875
00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:15,710
I said God that'd be great to work with

876
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:17,240
somebody like that and they said well

877
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,160
look let's call him and so they did and

878
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:22,340
they told the same story I'm telling you

879
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:25,010
and and he was fascinated it's as though

880
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:28,330
that's somebody I can talk to and

881
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:31,460
understanding funded the the whole isn't

882
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:34,520
him in his entourage back out to

883
00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:39,560
California or to California and decided

884
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:43,100
to have us meet and they put us up at

885
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:45,110
Lake Arrowhead California that's up in

886
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:49,070
the mountains and I was there was eight

887
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:50,780
or nine or ten of us I forget now

888
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:53,120
exactly probably probably way way now

889
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,670
how was he there way not only came one

890
00:43:01,780 --> 00:42:58,640
of my best friends yes yeah I knew him

891
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,790
and Lee you know fairly well they had

892
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:04,640
invited me out I gave a a talk one night

893
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:06,950
in the Space Needle they Peter they

894
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,420
actually have a little area down there

895
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:10,880
that holds a meetings and stuff for

896
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,740
about a hundred people that knew him

897
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:15,200
knew him fairly well you know it's very

898
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:19,130
nice gentleman yes he was indeed he had

899
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:23,390
the the end on Mount Rainier he had the

900
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:25,550
camp remember now what was the name of

901
00:43:33,529 --> 00:43:29,369
that oh he had a

902
00:43:37,339 --> 00:43:33,539
I about five acres they're dedicated to

903
00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:37,349
to working with with unusual people and

904
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:39,329
unusual thing that's the first time I

905
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:42,150
saw a car run on water because one of

906
00:43:47,299 --> 00:43:43,650
the people who were there was ruining

907
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,309
this cook this was back in the 70s I

908
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:50,460
think the other and and and people would

909
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,089
running their cars on on olive oil and

910
00:43:57,769 --> 00:43:55,920
stuff with different people from

911
00:44:00,469 --> 00:43:57,779
different walks of life that he accepted

912
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,479
said yeah let's let's foster this and

913
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:02,930
get it get it out to the people so

914
00:44:13,249 --> 00:44:06,930
anyway we got back and got acquainted

915
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,259
and while we were up at the lake all I

916
00:44:19,759 --> 00:44:15,960
did was was I was fascinated with this

917
00:44:23,289 --> 00:44:19,769
guy car because he was not talking human

918
00:44:28,209 --> 00:44:23,299
language he was talking natural language

919
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,219
which is you could say one word and no

920
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,839
work from one principal to the other

921
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:33,119
because the basis of everything or

922
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:34,859
principles and it do you understand

923
00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:38,460
principles you can skip or jump from

924
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:43,109
from different ways that people places

925
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:45,960
and thing by being the principal because

926
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:48,359
it were all one gigantic state of

927
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:51,109
consciousness that goes on forever and

928
00:44:57,140 --> 00:44:54,769
so we set up all night long and

929
00:44:59,359 --> 00:44:57,150
conversed on a level that was just

930
00:45:03,019 --> 00:44:59,369
extraordinary and he told me about Tesla

931
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:03,029
and his love for life and he wanted to

932
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:07,170
and to introduce the simplicity's of

933
00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:12,390
life and and so the car and he said well

934
00:45:17,209 --> 00:45:14,849
let's let's wait and see what happened

935
00:45:19,459 --> 00:45:17,219
well it wasn't law I think we're up

936
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:19,469
there about a week or so and just

937
00:45:22,999 --> 00:45:21,569
picking each other's bring it was really

938
00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:23,009
wonderful and I talked to the other

939
00:45:33,259 --> 00:45:25,640
physic man a couple of physicists and

940
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:33,269
and he had proposed either you know they

941
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,670
were engineers and they the a week later

942
00:45:42,769 --> 00:45:40,319
week or so later they called us

943
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:42,779
understanding group called us and said

944
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:47,630
we strangely enough were granted

945
00:45:56,779 --> 00:45:53,729
anonymously a giant well you ever see

946
00:46:02,649 --> 00:45:56,789
one of these buildings that that housed

947
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:02,659
blimps dirigible a huge warehouse

948
00:46:09,979 --> 00:46:06,569
facility in Apple Valley or history

949
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,989
actually California and they say that

950
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:11,880
it's fully stocked with everything and

951
00:46:17,299 --> 00:46:13,859
it's you guys can come down and go to

952
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:17,309
work though I'm short cutting things a

953
00:46:22,669 --> 00:46:18,599
little bit oh there's one minute left

954
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:22,679
okay well you'll be back on just a

955
00:46:27,229 --> 00:46:25,169
little while there but go ahead okay so

956
00:46:30,169 --> 00:46:27,239
you made it down to Apple Apple Valley

957
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:30,179
he had a big hangar yeah we got a huge

958
00:46:34,669 --> 00:46:32,339
place and we had we had the machine shop

959
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:34,679
and to and I we had everything there

960
00:46:43,009 --> 00:46:39,529
were living quarters and and offices and

961
00:46:44,689 --> 00:46:43,019
so we all went to work everybody there

962
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:44,699
loved what we're doing every day routes

963
00:46:48,229 --> 00:46:46,169
that's that's the beautiful thing about

964
00:46:49,999 --> 00:46:48,239
working with nature you love what you're

965
00:46:51,529 --> 00:46:50,009
doing you're not doing because you have

966
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:51,539
to and you're doing it because you want

967
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,299
to so we were working round-the-clock

968
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,119
we've taken that cat take cat naps

969
00:47:01,880 --> 00:46:59,640
during the night or whenever during the

970
00:47:04,809 --> 00:47:01,890
day when I really felt like it but but

971
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:04,819
we knew that we if we can get some

972
00:47:11,209 --> 00:47:07,619
prototypes going and then find a way to

973
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:11,219
introduce on to people they could they

974
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:15,359
could not just have them in the physical

975
00:47:22,939 --> 00:47:19,140
dimension but they can realized by their

976
00:47:24,769 --> 00:47:22,949
perception that the mind that operates

977
00:47:27,999 --> 00:47:24,779
these vehicles is the same mind that

978
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,009
they have that they very seldom use and

979
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,859
so the idea was to raise the

980
00:47:37,579 --> 00:47:34,319
consciousness of people in the way of

981
00:47:40,219 --> 00:47:37,589
perception to realize that when you work

982
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:40,229
from the inside seeing and doing and

983
00:47:47,659 --> 00:47:44,130
being you change the exterior world so

984
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:47,669
fast that the brain cannot conceive of

985
00:47:53,659 --> 00:47:51,089
the swiftness that you alright matter up

986
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:53,669
let me interpret goes we have to go to

987
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,150
our break here we'll be

988
00:48:03,650 --> 00:47:57,400
right back with more on exploring the

989
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:08,040
[Music]

990
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:12,550
explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride

991
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:15,010
into the world of the paranormal

992
00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:18,290
strap yourself in as we traverse the

993
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:22,600
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

994
00:48:28,090 --> 00:48:25,720
ghosts Lost Worlds

995
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:28,100
cryptozoology waters as well as other

996
00:48:37,090 --> 00:48:31,940
dimensions it's time to take back the

997
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:37,100
night now your electrifying hosts of

998
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:40,190
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

999
00:48:49,810 --> 00:48:46,970
team sports all right welcome back to

1000
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:49,820
exploring the bizarre tonight we are

1001
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,170
talking with Ralph and Marsha ring and

1002
00:49:02,140 --> 00:48:56,000
Wilbur Allen and we're gonna bring will

1003
00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:02,150
back into the conversation so during the

1004
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:05,480
previous segment while you were talking

1005
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:10,490
about the green lights green orbs I

1006
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:13,190
think is is what you were referring to

1007
00:49:22,750 --> 00:49:20,090
them yes and I suppose this is the five

1008
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:22,760
five billion dollar question ooh

1009
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:26,960
what are they yeah well okay we have

1010
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:29,930
what are they well well let's just go

1011
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:32,690
back let's go back a little bit the US

1012
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:35,330
government initially documented them in

1013
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:38,420
1942 over Germany in the combat arena

1014
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:42,100
where Air Force pilots were reporting

1015
00:49:47,290 --> 00:49:44,750
balls of life following their their

1016
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:47,300
aircraft and initially the Allies

1017
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:49,640
thought it was the Germans and then the

1018
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:52,370
Germans thought it was the Allies but in

1019
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:55,030
the reality these anomalies that were

1020
00:50:02,920 --> 00:49:58,490
monitoring these aircraft and combat

1021
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:02,930
were extraterrestrial anomalies it just

1022
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,120
so happens and we were talking about

1023
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,480
that before we went to break that the

1024
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,640
green objects that I documented at the

1025
00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:13,520
US Capitol building and the flap that

1026
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:16,100
happened at the US Capitol building 50

1027
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:21,420
years earlier July 16 1952 the images

1028
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:23,160
and I took at the US Capitol building in

1029
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:26,940
2002 or July 16 2002 exactly 50 years

1030
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,270
after they first documentation of the

1031
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:32,819
flyby of the UFO is over to Capitol dome

1032
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,030
in 1952 there was footage taken of that

1033
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:38,460
event which people kept saying to me was

1034
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:41,450
CGI but when I did an analysis of that

1035
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:44,670
16-millimeter Folex footage it indicated

1036
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:46,230
that the person that took the motion

1037
00:50:49,789 --> 00:50:47,970
picture while the event was taking place

1038
00:50:52,809 --> 00:50:49,799
was hand-holding their motion picture

1039
00:50:56,059 --> 00:50:52,819
camera because the footage itself had

1040
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:56,069
XYZ deviations meaning you know how when

1041
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:58,200
you put a camera on a tripod your image

1042
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:00,690
becomes stabilized right well if you're

1043
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:02,250
trying to hold your camera on your

1044
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:04,710
shoulder like most cameramen did back in

1045
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,329
the day like I did when I worked at ABC

1046
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,180
News that image stabilization is

1047
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:11,040
impossible when you've got a 50-pound

1048
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,319
Betamax camera on top of your shoulder

1049
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,540
and you know you've got Wobblies

1050
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:17,339
conditions because you can't possibly

1051
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:20,760
keep yourself erect and stable that for

1052
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:23,190
such a long period of time to maintain a

1053
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,049
stable shot so the person that took the

1054
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:27,660
footage at the US Capitol building July

1055
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,230
16 1952 did it just long enough to get

1056
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:33,839
the objects fly by because understanding

1057
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:36,599
in 1952 the motion picture technology

1058
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:39,930
was 16-millimeter Bolex a Bolex camera

1059
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:43,049
was like this big box that they used to

1060
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,490
make motion pictures back in the day it

1061
00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:46,140
was a 16 millimeter motion picture

1062
00:51:49,789 --> 00:51:48,030
camera with schools on the top and this

1063
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:49,799
guy had this bollocks on his shoulder

1064
00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:52,290
and he filmed it so I did a correctional

1065
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:54,630
analysis of the 16 millimeter film that

1066
00:51:59,599 --> 00:51:57,510
he filmed and it was 360 frames of

1067
00:52:02,480 --> 00:51:59,609
motion picture showing the objects fly

1068
00:52:03,130 --> 00:52:02,490
by the US Capitol dome and in the 360

1069
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:03,140
frames

1070
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,609
those Corrections were associated to

1071
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:10,619
that person not being able to keep his

1072
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,410
camera stabilized on one fixed object so

1073
00:52:16,819 --> 00:52:15,180
taking the footage into 3d max

1074
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:16,829
technology and using virtual technology

1075
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:19,530
virtual camera technology I was able to

1076
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:22,609
perform a visual stimulation of footage

1077
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,230
just based on the technology that was

1078
00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:27,119
available at N and I'm using 3d max

1079
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,950
which is Autodesk technology to do the

1080
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:31,200
sterilization and it proved without a

1081
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:32,730
doubt that the footage is authentic it

1082
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:34,650
can't possibly be a CGI rendering

1083
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,010
because

1084
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:37,680
CGI rendering requires a fixed space

1085
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:40,140
anybody that does animation understands

1086
00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:41,640
that when you animate something that

1087
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,350
your background has to be stable and

1088
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:45,480
that that means in most cartoons when

1089
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:47,310
you look at it you see the backgrounds

1090
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:49,050
are stable and uniform

1091
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:51,090
as the action transpires that's because

1092
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,940
it created on a uniform platform but to

1093
00:52:58,070 --> 00:52:55,740
do a motion picture which is not on a

1094
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:58,080
uniform platform like on a tripod and

1095
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,420
the handhold it requires a lot more

1096
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:02,040
skills and the person that filmed that

1097
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,650
in the 1950s had enough skills to at

1098
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,660
least filmed the objects as they were

1099
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:08,520
flying by regardless to the fact that he

1100
00:53:12,350 --> 00:53:10,140
was not being stable with it so the

1101
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:12,360
footage do we know do we know who took

1102
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:15,330
the picture no none of that all of the

1103
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:18,750
footage in fact somehow was in the

1104
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:22,800
British archives and and Nick Pope was

1105
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:24,530
the one that brought it to light and

1106
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:27,030
that's so interesting in fact that you

1107
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:28,590
know all of the data that was available

1108
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:31,800
to the event that did transpire on those

1109
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:34,110
on the days that it did transpire July

1110
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:40,920
16 1952 to July 26th 1952 was a period

1111
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:42,300
of 10 days that the events were

1112
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:45,810
happening in Washington DC area that it

1113
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:50,400
was indeed something that the government

1114
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,540
at the time went around and took all of

1115
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:56,520
the material from everybody that had a

1116
00:54:00,830 --> 00:53:59,130
camera that was on the campus of the US

1117
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,840
Capitol building and yet tourists had

1118
00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:02,700
flash cameras people at cameras back in

1119
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:04,560
those days they took the film on

1120
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:06,510
everybody's cameras they removed all of

1121
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:08,370
the film but the government could get

1122
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:11,100
their hands on they got it but this one

1123
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:12,930
particular piece of footage just just so

1124
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:14,580
happens to end up in a British Defense

1125
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:23,890
I said add also there was no CGI in 1952

1126
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:26,810
impossible exact computer-generated data

1127
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:29,880
so when you get a person saying CGI and

1128
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:31,770
be careful there's a lot of people who

1129
00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:34,110
claim to be UFO experts and the first

1130
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:36,600
thing out of her mouth is CGI now

1131
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,150
tonight and I taught CGI in at a

1132
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:41,400
graduate level at a university in

1133
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:45,030
Washington DC so when a person says to

1134
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:47,250
me oh it's CGI blah blah and going off

1135
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:48,750
with with the back

1136
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,730
like oh it's a CGI rendering but I asked

1137
00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:53,160
them what programs utilized to render

1138
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,120
that effect and they can't answer me

1139
00:55:01,850 --> 00:54:59,280
that's because they don't know CGI and

1140
00:55:03,590 --> 00:55:01,860
to say something that you don't know and

1141
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:03,600
it's basically it's called speaking out

1142
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:05,130
of your ass and most people speak out of

1143
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:06,750
their ass and they say things relative

1144
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,750
to UFOs that you know the damage

1145
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:11,700
associated to that misinformation does

1146
00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:13,650
more damage than the actual truth so I

1147
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:15,030
would rather sit there and give you

1148
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:17,790
something that's factual versus sit down

1149
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:20,130
tell you a lie and say something a CGI

1150
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,900
and not know what CGI technology

1151
00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:24,240
rendered that would be telling you a lie

1152
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:28,950
and I can't do that now the the ruling

1153
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:31,710
up III think a lot of people the the

1154
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:33,690
ones that to throw the skeptical stuff

1155
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:36,420
at you regarding that particular series

1156
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:39,450
of photographs say that it's reflections

1157
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:44,190
from street streetlights in the in the

1158
00:55:49,340 --> 00:55:47,310
area but wait a minute I saw the cab

1159
00:55:51,590 --> 00:55:49,350
does not add up now the guys motion

1160
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:51,600
picture footage when when you would

1161
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:53,670
start talking about reflections and and

1162
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:56,060
and it's interesting because basically

1163
00:56:00,740 --> 00:55:59,130
reflections are associated to the optics

1164
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:00,750
and the impurities associated to the

1165
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:02,730
optics in the nineteen fifties they

1166
00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:04,440
didn't have to crystal clear et glass

1167
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:07,620
like Nikon and and lights sights Ikon

1168
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:10,770
has right now and when you start talking

1169
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,250
about optical distortions on a on a

1170
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,260
physical level and there's a physics

1171
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:18,660
associated to reflections when you start

1172
00:56:21,730 --> 00:56:20,010
taking pictures and you start getting

1173
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:21,740
reflections in your photographs

1174
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:24,390
generally speaking if you're using a

1175
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:25,890
lens that has an array of lenses

1176
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,390
associated to it that the amount of

1177
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,670
lenses that's in that array that just

1178
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:31,920
multiplies the amount of optical

1179
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:33,150
distortion that's going to be in your

1180
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:34,530
photograph if there's a light source

1181
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:37,020
because the optics is not generated to

1182
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,450
per se photograph right right light

1183
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:42,300
sources so there's a problem with that

1184
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:44,520
the guy 16 millimeter motion picture

1185
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:46,470
film required up to three hundred and

1186
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:48,930
sixty frames 258 frames of Correction in

1187
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:52,620
that when I noticed the objects that

1188
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,940
were in the sky that were being

1189
00:56:58,340 --> 00:56:56,640
photographed that we're moving and there

1190
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,350
were other objects above the clouds

1191
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:00,000
which people never talked about but

1192
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:02,070
there are other much more objects that

1193
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:03,180
flew by the US Capitol

1194
00:57:08,059 --> 00:57:06,420
during that time that in the correction

1195
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:08,069
element associated through it when I

1196
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:09,630
started looking at the reflections

1197
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:11,220
associated to the streetlights and then

1198
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:12,569
I started looking at the objects that

1199
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:14,579
were in the site that it was not

1200
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:16,470
consistent because the objects in the

1201
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:19,319
sky are moving from the left of the

1202
00:57:22,579 --> 00:57:20,910
frame to the right side of the frame

1203
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,589
from the perspective of the camera that

1204
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,140
took the motion picture footage in front

1205
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:27,119
of the reflection pool from for more I'm

1206
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:29,190
gathering looking at footage as I

1207
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,220
analyzed it so if that is indeed the

1208
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:35,640
case then the lights that are on the

1209
00:57:40,339 --> 00:57:38,339
ground would be permanent reflections no

1210
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,349
matter where I tilt my camera up and

1211
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,720
down if I'm filming from a perspective

1212
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:44,640
of the ground because that's the physics

1213
00:57:49,579 --> 00:57:46,770
associated to reflections of bright

1214
00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:49,589
light sources and optics that that are

1215
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:51,329
associated the cameras technology that's

1216
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:55,319
being utilized today it's impossible for

1217
00:58:00,859 --> 00:58:00,240
it like in motion on the ground if

1218
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,869
they--if

1219
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:02,880
yeah and also to if they were there one

1220
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:06,690
night they would be there every night

1221
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:10,500
you know every night correct yes they

1222
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:11,670
would have to be there every night

1223
00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:13,740
because the light yeah your permanent

1224
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:15,990
theater so no matter the pictures there

1225
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:18,180
he would still see the same reflections

1226
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:20,040
you'd I would guess so

1227
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:23,220
yeah absolutely okay so now how did you

1228
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:25,859
and when did you take your cat I mean

1229
00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:29,210
you you live in the in DC or nearby I

1230
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:31,799
lived I lived four blocks from the White

1231
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:34,920
House and I just so happened to have

1232
00:58:40,339 --> 00:58:37,559
been freelancing that night and Def Jam

1233
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:40,349
Records hired me to do an album cover

1234
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:42,809
for an artist and the artist came to

1235
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,059
town and we started taking pictures

1236
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,430
everywhere we went to Haines which is a

1237
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:49,680
part in Southwest Washington and we went

1238
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,290
near the Capitol not enough not I'm

1239
00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:54,180
sorry the Washington Monument at the end

1240
00:59:00,940 --> 00:58:57,630
of the night we ended up at the US

1241
00:59:03,319 --> 00:59:00,950
Capitol building reflection pool and

1242
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,329
we're sitting there taking pictures of

1243
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:06,480
the artist and his manager who was with

1244
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,299
me just just blurts out the mouth he

1245
00:59:14,059 --> 00:59:12,540
says hey that a UFO and it wasn't really

1246
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:14,069
listening to him but he was like this

1247
00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:16,859
Saints weird stop it hey is that a UFO

1248
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:18,150
I've been drinking too so I initially

1249
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,220
thought it was possibly the effects of

1250
00:59:25,339 --> 00:59:22,859
some Courvoisier so you know you tried

1251
00:59:27,229 --> 00:59:25,349
to toss me you'll say anything and he

1252
00:59:29,059 --> 00:59:27,239
was he took it basically drank the whole

1253
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,069
bottle so he was talking about UFOs and

1254
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:31,559
I'm trying to focus on this artist but

1255
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,569
as I'm focusing on the artist artist is

1256
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:35,400
sitting there and he said something even

1257
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:37,230
more abstract to me because he said he

1258
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:39,210
turned around in a reflection pool and

1259
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:41,160
behind him he said he saw what looked

1260
00:59:47,539 --> 00:59:45,720
like a six-foot long amoeba and it swam

1261
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:47,549
up behind him and then as he looked at

1262
00:59:52,099 --> 00:59:49,950
it it swam back and as I'm taking

1263
00:59:54,259 --> 00:59:52,109
pictures there's this anomaly in the

1264
00:59:56,539 --> 00:59:54,269
refraction reflection pool water and

1265
00:59:59,420 --> 00:59:56,549
it's submerged and there's another

1266
01:00:02,299 --> 00:59:59,430
anomaly on the shore of the reflection

1267
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:02,309
pool there's another anomaly that's on

1268
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:03,960
the house side of the roof of the

1269
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:05,430
Capitol building and then there's a

1270
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:08,339
bigger one above the dome and one of

1271
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:10,170
them enters the water of the reflection

1272
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:14,640
pool and swam that now our load of

1273
01:00:23,299 --> 01:00:19,710
talking are we talking about rods no

1274
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:23,309
we're talking about you know energy

1275
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:26,730
debates on life form yeah yeah okay

1276
01:00:30,829 --> 01:00:28,680
Escamilla my friend was yeah filming

1277
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,839
these yeah no no not rods what I

1278
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:32,700
photographed was with a 35-millimeter

1279
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:36,210
camera and what entered the reflection

1280
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:39,480
pool initially it would be what would

1281
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,809
one consider a orb a spiritual or of a

1282
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:45,119
sphere of sorts it was like this

1283
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:48,420
translucent ball of light that looked

1284
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:50,970
like a feather feathery translucency

1285
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,670
associated to it and I have been in

1286
01:00:58,759 --> 01:00:55,680
multiple positions at the US Capitol

1287
01:01:00,499 --> 01:00:58,769
building several of them the larger ones

1288
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:00,509
however were on the roof of the Capitol

1289
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:02,190
building and it was a much larger one or

1290
01:01:07,759 --> 01:01:05,640
up above the dome but the one that was

1291
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:07,769
on the ground in the rear of the

1292
01:01:14,059 --> 01:01:10,410
reflection pool entered into the

1293
01:01:16,989 --> 01:01:14,069
reflection pool and swam and as it swam

1294
01:01:20,029 --> 01:01:16,999
I was photographing it not necessarily

1295
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:20,039
photographing it per se as as I focused

1296
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,710
on the artist I wasn't thinking about

1297
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:24,720
the objects in the background but it

1298
01:01:30,499 --> 01:01:27,210
just so happened to be photographed on

1299
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:30,509
film so I did an analysis of it as it

1300
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:31,070
was

1301
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,010
essentially I'd save maybe 25 feet from

1302
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,440
his position as he was sitting and the

1303
01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:39,540
water of the reflection pool was clear

1304
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:42,300
like a magnifying glass and it magnified

1305
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:44,760
this thing and it looked like a an

1306
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,940
amoeba it has a sphere at the top a blob

1307
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:50,220
a ball it's perfectly round and it has

1308
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,570
this plasma like fluid which I can only

1309
01:01:58,850 --> 01:01:56,490
describe as a fluid because it didn't

1310
01:02:00,940 --> 01:01:58,860
look like anything I've ever seen before

1311
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:00,950
but it could possibly have the same

1312
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:03,510
overall physical definitions as an

1313
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:05,700
amoeba a one-celled organism because it

1314
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:07,890
well is this Kelly well if a would you

1315
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:10,350
say whoever would you say that this is a

1316
01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:12,680
living thing

1317
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:15,320
NASA confirmed the validity of

1318
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:19,160
noncorporeal extraterrestrials

1319
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:22,290
noncorporeal meaning a life-form without

1320
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:24,810
a physical body an energy an energy

1321
01:02:29,090 --> 01:02:27,510
based life-form and what I documented at

1322
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:29,100
the US Capitol building what came out of

1323
01:02:37,550 --> 01:02:31,290
the green spheres that landed were these

1324
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:37,560
blobs of light blobs it's all I could

1325
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:39,270
describe them as I've never seen

1326
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:41,670
anything like that and it just so

1327
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:44,040
happens that on some of the leader

1328
01:02:48,740 --> 01:02:46,350
surface photographs from the Apollo moon

1329
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:48,750
missions that these anomalous blobs of

1330
01:02:54,110 --> 01:02:49,950
light just happened to be on the lunar

1331
01:02:56,350 --> 01:02:54,120
surface well these days these amoebas

1332
01:02:58,700 --> 01:02:56,360
sound an awful lot like though the

1333
01:03:00,620 --> 01:02:58,710
photographs at the who is it Trevor

1334
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:00,630
Jane's constable took you know he called

1335
01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:03,720
them critters yeah critters whatever you

1336
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:05,550
want to call them they were they came

1337
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:07,890
out of the green spheres that landed and

1338
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:10,230
we're talking about green green spheres

1339
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:12,510
that the US government knew about 1942

1340
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:14,250
green spheres they had a report

1341
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:16,350
associated to the green spheres and

1342
01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:18,210
they're at the US Capitol building in

1343
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,300
2002 landing and there are thousands of

1344
01:03:25,070 --> 01:03:23,280
them the ones that were in the air that

1345
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:25,080
are photographed where maybe the size of

1346
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:26,580
bowling balls but the ones that were

1347
01:03:29,830 --> 01:03:28,260
underground and the reflection pool

1348
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:29,840
itself for the size of garden fees

1349
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:34,020
thousands of them now did they come out

1350
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:36,270
of the green spheres or are they the

1351
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,750
greens they stripped they were dripped

1352
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,280
dripped from the green spheres they were

1353
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:43,200
dripping in the air they would like just

1354
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:49,870
and then you happen to generate a

1355
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:51,940
Stargate as it vanished

1356
01:04:00,030 --> 01:03:56,510
so so we're talking about an energy

1357
01:04:02,260 --> 01:04:00,040
basically an energy waste life-form

1358
01:04:04,030 --> 01:04:02,270
energy based life-forms yes course I

1359
01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:04,040
mean we I mean we're all you know energy

1360
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:06,200
you know talk about the small spheres

1361
01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:07,550
you've heard people talk about small

1362
01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:09,740
small spheres the size of golf balls and

1363
01:04:14,020 --> 01:04:12,320
and and oranges flyby what do you think

1364
01:04:16,180 --> 01:04:14,030
is piloting those things what what

1365
01:04:18,670 --> 01:04:16,190
possibly could be inside that ball

1366
01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:18,680
making that ball movement elegantly what

1367
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:20,420
type of life-form would fit inside a

1368
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:22,790
ball what could you compress into a

1369
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:29,570
small area energy well I mean Suzumiya

1370
01:04:33,609 --> 01:04:32,240
do they have to be in the past I was

1371
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:33,619
talking about that we're talking about

1372
01:04:39,089 --> 01:04:35,330
Tesla technology had an extraterrestrial

1373
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:39,099
level Tesla technology

1374
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,290
well alien technology that just happened

1375
01:04:48,099 --> 01:04:45,680
to reinvent but I mean you know as

1376
01:04:51,070 --> 01:04:48,109
saying though that they are you know I

1377
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:51,080
you know that their craft I mean that's

1378
01:04:55,810 --> 01:04:53,990
kind of a materialistic way of looking

1379
01:04:57,310 --> 01:04:55,820
at it though because you know the way

1380
01:05:01,570 --> 01:04:57,320
the way I'm thinking about these things

1381
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:01,580
is that they are the craft via the crack

1382
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:03,380
perhaps consists of energy but the

1383
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:06,440
energy itself has to have a form of

1384
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:08,570
intelligence associated to it energy is

1385
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:11,170
not intelligent energy is something else

1386
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:13,910
intelligence is something else you put

1387
01:05:21,010 --> 01:05:15,380
intelligence with energy what do you

1388
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:21,020
have controlled energy you could think

1389
01:05:26,609 --> 01:05:23,030
your craft to go any direction any

1390
01:05:29,890 --> 01:05:26,619
direction at any time at any velocity

1391
01:05:31,390 --> 01:05:29,900
instantaneously that's what the US

1392
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,400
military doesn't seem to understand you

1393
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:33,200
can't send an aircraft up against a

1394
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:35,320
device that can fly multiple directions

1395
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:39,170
instantaneously impossible what are you

1396
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:41,570
locking on to nothing I have you know

1397
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:47,359
I've seen footage of UFOs where they fly

1398
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:51,130
around almost like insects you know yet

1399
01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:54,470
yeah you know it and I was they give me

1400
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:56,750
the impression rather than being say

1401
01:05:59,810 --> 01:05:58,020
like a nuts-and-bolts craft

1402
01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,820
you know somebody inside pushing buttons

1403
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:01,470
and stuff that you know that you're

1404
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:02,850
looking at something that's alive

1405
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,290
because their movements suggest

1406
01:06:10,850 --> 01:06:08,640
something living life form insight

1407
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,860
energy it's a life form inside energy

1408
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:13,140
the energy has to have a form of thought

1409
01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:17,070
now what what do you know that it has

1410
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:21,870
energy that can think logically speaking

1411
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:24,330
that only man would logically be that

1412
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:26,490
type of computer that could form a

1413
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:28,080
thought from the energy from within us

1414
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:30,930
but when you start looking at an object

1415
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:34,230
like a ball than a ball it seems to have

1416
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,230
a form of intelligence associated to it

1417
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:38,640
the ball has a physical structure and

1418
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,260
within the physical structure itself is

1419
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:42,000
space and inside that space and life

1420
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:43,770
form an entity of some sort would have

1421
01:06:47,810 --> 01:06:46,230
to occupy and manipulate that ball on

1422
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,820
the outside to make it do whatever it's

1423
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:50,400
doing that we're seeing on camera that

1424
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:52,650
space within that object would have to

1425
01:06:58,610 --> 01:06:55,110
be the area in which whatever life form

1426
01:07:01,610 --> 01:06:58,620
is maintaining that that space and he's

1427
01:07:03,860 --> 01:07:01,620
flying the craft that is at its level

1428
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,870
which and I'm telling you what I

1429
01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:05,280
documented at the US Capitol building

1430
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:08,600
were like spirits a spirit could do that

1431
01:07:13,870 --> 01:07:12,180
well now do you are the these spirits or

1432
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:13,880
where our entities or whatever they are

1433
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,290
do you think that they are aware that

1434
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:18,720
they are if the Capitol building I mean

1435
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:20,820
do they have a purpose and and and being

1436
01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:22,650
there the fact the fact that I

1437
01:07:26,660 --> 01:07:24,870
documented it and in the last photograph

1438
01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:26,670
of the evening that I took that the US

1439
01:07:30,620 --> 01:07:28,350
Capitol building where I documented the

1440
01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:30,630
formation of green spheres there were

1441
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,430
these two blobs of light in the

1442
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:35,280
photograph and wanted them at the top

1443
01:07:39,590 --> 01:07:37,530
just so happened to have the same shape

1444
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,600
as the blob of life that was documented

1445
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:41,940
at the rear of the reflection pool so it

1446
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:43,470
indicated to me that what was at the

1447
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:45,150
rear of the reflection pool that swam up

1448
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:46,440
behind the guy that I was taking

1449
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:49,050
pictures of also confronted me at the

1450
01:07:52,070 --> 01:07:50,520
last point of the evening well that's at

1451
01:07:54,650 --> 01:07:52,080
the picture of the green spheres as they

1452
01:07:59,570 --> 01:07:54,660
warped out which was even more abstract

1453
01:08:01,760 --> 01:07:59,580
because I swear I saw Mayans and Mayan

1454
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:01,770
attire walking around as if they were

1455
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:04,260
like completely lost with a group of

1456
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:07,140
Mayans they were completely based and

1457
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:10,050
confused just walking around Mayan so

1458
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,520
that's where I lived

1459
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:13,200
okay we've got a couple of different

1460
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:16,290
things going on here I mean intelligence

1461
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:21,839
yes but possibly time travelers well you

1462
01:08:25,579 --> 01:08:23,250
know the disappearance of the Mayan

1463
01:08:28,519 --> 01:08:25,589
civilization that the fact that in most

1464
01:08:30,499 --> 01:08:28,529
of the Mexican documentation of UFOs are

1465
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:30,509
these spheres and it just so happens

1466
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:32,940
that on several occasions green spheres

1467
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:36,210
were documented in Peru so one green

1468
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,799
sphere crashed in fact in I believe 2007

1469
01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:42,420
in a village in Peru in which the US

1470
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,660
government had to quarantine the entire

1471
01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:48,000
village and take whatever remnants of

1472
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:49,470
the craft that crashed there would stay

1473
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,089
dock which the villagers said was a

1474
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:54,000
green ball of light and and it just so

1475
01:08:58,460 --> 01:08:56,130
happens that as soon as the object

1476
01:09:01,730 --> 01:08:58,470
crashed and created this stoop and a

1477
01:09:03,170 --> 01:09:01,740
mountain which looks like they took you

1478
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:03,180
know ice cream looks and used an ice

1479
01:09:06,559 --> 01:09:04,710
cream scoop and we take a nice linear

1480
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:06,569
scoop out it looked like something did a

1481
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,730
nice linear scoop on the side of a

1482
01:09:13,730 --> 01:09:10,980
mountain where this thing crashed and

1483
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:13,740
they they took their residents or the

1484
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:16,259
people the villagers of that that little

1485
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,660
village quarantined them and they made

1486
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:20,400
that village no longer accessible to

1487
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:24,390
anyone in Peru so now whatever it is the

1488
01:09:28,519 --> 01:09:26,730
aliens are controlling it yes US

1489
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:28,529
government this is bit okay this has

1490
01:09:37,940 --> 01:09:34,920
been going on forever I'm I'm looking at

1491
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:37,950
several events which are not really that

1492
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:39,750
well documented but there were several

1493
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:42,120
which involved green streaks of light

1494
01:09:46,460 --> 01:09:44,250
that were documented by one was by a UPI

1495
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,470
photographer another one was by a

1496
01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:49,920
photographer in Lima Peru then the green

1497
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,470
streaks were consistent with the green

1498
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:54,420
streaks tonight the green spheres that I

1499
01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:56,040
documented at the US Capitol building

1500
01:10:01,640 --> 01:09:58,260
which were consistent with the green

1501
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:01,650
spheres that followed the command module

1502
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:05,040
during Apollo 11 to the moon which Buzz

1503
01:10:10,580 --> 01:10:07,890
Aldrin documented and they documented

1504
01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:10,590
the green objects so we add annotation

1505
01:10:16,730 --> 01:10:13,680
of them did I hear something about a UFO

1506
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,740
these being seen inside the Capitol

1507
01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:19,920
building in the basement or something is

1508
01:10:24,859 --> 01:10:23,480
wrong from there there was a rumor that

1509
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:24,869
at

1510
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:28,860
stored in the basement of the u.s.

1511
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:30,630
counseling because it was a secure reach

1512
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:33,510
and it's built like a fortress but yes

1513
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:35,250
with all of the UFO activity that's

1514
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:37,050
going on around there and all the

1515
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:39,090
activity that I documented four blocks

1516
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:43,440
from the White House if to me indicated

1517
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:47,130
there's a much broader level of interest

1518
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:50,340
from the extra-terrestrial standpoint of

1519
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:52,770
things in Washington DC that the et are

1520
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:55,650
interested in I was getting stuck four

1521
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:57,570
blocks from the White House that was

1522
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,780
materialized in the air space and on the

1523
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:01,920
nights that I would get this

1524
01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:03,480
documentation that these objects

1525
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:05,670
materialized on video residents in

1526
01:11:09,260 --> 01:11:07,800
Northeast DC which was the trajectory of

1527
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,270
the objects that I wouldn't theory that

1528
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:11,040
I would document we're disappearing

1529
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:14,130
mysteriously and several people and it

1530
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:16,830
just happens to be ironic that on the

1531
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:18,210
night side documented things people

1532
01:11:25,780 --> 01:11:21,810
vanished so if people are disappearing

1533
01:11:27,919 --> 01:11:25,790
when these objects are materializing and

1534
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:27,929
all right we're going to have to admit

1535
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:30,420
the whole thought well because we have

1536
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:32,670
to go to our bottom of the hour break so

1537
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:34,170
we'll be back in just a few minutes for

1538
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:48,410
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1539
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,000
two of the most electrifying researchers

1540
01:11:58,960 --> 01:11:54,000
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1541
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:01,910
alright welcome back to the final

1542
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:04,260
segment of exploring the bizarre time

1543
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:08,070
just goes by so fast on our program when

1544
01:12:14,150 --> 01:12:10,970
we have such great guests so Ralph now

1545
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:14,160
the the previous segment you were

1546
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:18,450
talking about how Otis Otis T car

1547
01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:21,810
yourself and other engineers were set up

1548
01:12:32,690 --> 01:12:27,060
by some benefactor in a hangar there in

1549
01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:32,700
California and I guess that you uh you

1550
01:12:39,860 --> 01:12:36,980
all had some some pretty interesting

1551
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:39,870
developments and successes within that

1552
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:43,050
facility didn't you yes yeah once you

1553
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:45,030
tell us a little bit about what happened

1554
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:49,050
and and and why more people don't know

1555
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:53,730
about this well I think more more people

1556
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:56,160
are interested in the creature comforts

1557
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,780
and the new car every third year in

1558
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:02,820
material life there's more interested in

1559
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:06,060
that this deals with and ever since I

1560
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:09,630
met car a spiritual life because we are

1561
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:11,970
energy being we are not human beings at

1562
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,010
all but we think we are so we keep

1563
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:16,500
creating the idea of being human and

1564
01:13:23,690 --> 01:13:19,500
everything we look at or touch or see or

1565
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,700
think is our own creation reality comes

1566
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:26,640
in when you feel your way through as an

1567
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:29,580
energy being and it takes you can look

1568
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:32,970
at a book and concentrate on I can't do

1569
01:13:37,190 --> 01:13:35,190
this yet but I know people that do and

1570
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:37,200
they can just concentrate on the book

1571
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:40,500
and then and tell you to turn the page

1572
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:43,980
to 343 on the third paragraph and making

1573
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:46,110
cool it verbatim I mean it's amazing

1574
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:47,850
what you can do with your energy field

1575
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:50,190
because it's unlimited we're very

1576
01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:50,920
limited

1577
01:13:58,650 --> 01:13:56,950
in our human type form and that's okay

1578
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,660
because a human life is meant to be

1579
01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:00,400
experienced and it's very very wonderful

1580
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:03,060
and beautiful to some and some not but

1581
01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:09,640
but what car what Tesla and what I was

1582
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,860
engaged with was basically the invisible

1583
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:17,920
life that we are that who we really are

1584
01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:22,210
is invisible we are pure energy and we

1585
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:26,230
create a physical reality so long story

1586
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:27,640
short because I see we're running out of

1587
01:14:34,290 --> 01:14:31,210
time we decided to build this tickle

1588
01:14:36,990 --> 01:14:34,300
craft that people could see and touch

1589
01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:37,000
and do whatever they wanted to so that

1590
01:14:44,460 --> 01:14:40,120
and then lead them to the fact that they

1591
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:44,470
can be operated by their their feelings

1592
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:46,810
by their thought thought wave sent from

1593
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:49,510
feelings you have to operate from your

1594
01:14:54,570 --> 01:14:51,820
heart to your brain with with the

1595
01:14:57,390 --> 01:14:54,580
communication that doesn't break on one

1596
01:15:00,300 --> 01:14:57,400
side of the other and and you can move

1597
01:15:05,010 --> 01:15:00,310
energy as will was mentioning a little

1598
01:15:08,370 --> 01:15:05,020
while ago anywhere instantly because we

1599
01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:08,380
are energy not not a duality anymore we

1600
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:11,140
we are the energy moving the e

1601
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:15,220
motion moving through time and space but

1602
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:17,860
we just don't realize it so when I met

1603
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:20,890
Marsha ROM she was engaged in this kind

1604
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:22,930
of stuff and she's working for Jet

1605
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:25,660
Propulsion lab working with the jet Jo

1606
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:29,050
p.m. and she she had Bendix engineering

1607
01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:33,940
deep space tracking and when we met we

1608
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,590
started talking the same thing we got to

1609
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,360
get get away the people up they're all

1610
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:39,520
asleep they don't real life but they're

1611
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:41,020
having fun well then leave them alone

1612
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:42,790
but they don't have to go anywhere do

1613
01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:45,160
anything just stay in our Maseratis and

1614
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:50,440
we'll storm spaceships and so so that's

1615
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:53,530
how I met Marsha she's can you say a

1616
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:56,470
couple words Mars and well it's been an

1617
01:16:03,270 --> 01:15:59,440
interesting very interesting journey

1618
01:16:06,689 --> 01:16:03,280
through this experiences life experience

1619
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:06,699
and it has been kind of depressive

1620
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:09,130
because people don't seem to want to

1621
01:16:15,419 --> 01:16:13,030
wake up we've all been programmed so so

1622
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:15,429
many well you take that word depressive

1623
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:19,120
deep rest I can't see people are asleep

1624
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:21,820
in a deep rest but they will wake up

1625
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:24,550
someday so depression seems to be a

1626
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:27,070
negative connotation but deep breath

1627
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:29,770
sounds well it's great all wake up and I

1628
01:16:34,919 --> 01:16:31,750
do believe that well I do believe that

1629
01:16:36,810 --> 01:16:34,929
that everyone will eventually wake up

1630
01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:36,820
and they will see the craft that are

1631
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:39,670
already out in the field right now yeah

1632
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:42,100
they were all over the place

1633
01:16:47,490 --> 01:16:44,650
Marshall let me let me ask you now you

1634
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:47,500
know when you worked for places like JPL

1635
01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:50,650
I mean do you do you think that or or

1636
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,380
maybe even know that there may have been

1637
01:16:59,160 --> 01:16:55,679
other you know scientists and engineers

1638
01:17:02,040 --> 01:16:59,170
who also held the same kind of beliefs

1639
01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:02,050
that that you and Ralph do but you know

1640
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,699
just due to the the situation where you

1641
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:08,080
know if you talk about that kind of

1642
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:10,860
stuff you know you could find yourself

1643
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:13,600
blacklisted and and your career ruined I

1644
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:15,810
mean do you think that there are other

1645
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:19,420
scientists physicists out there who are

1646
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:21,850
entertaining the same ideas that you two

1647
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:26,650
are I definitely do Tim I when I did

1648
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:29,400
work for Bendix field deep space

1649
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:33,520
tracking station and went to JPL they

1650
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:37,030
were actually looking for the ways to

1651
01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:39,820
communicate with the beings on in the

1652
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:42,580
outer space they they actually said that

1653
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:46,449
and this was probably in the early 1970s

1654
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:52,409
I think yeah anyway it was amazing to me

1655
01:18:00,180 --> 01:17:57,040
but but yes I do believe there's many

1656
01:18:04,050 --> 01:18:00,190
many people in the in the scientific

1657
01:18:07,050 --> 01:18:04,060
field and I don't well one of the things

1658
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:07,060
that happened to me I went in makes I

1659
01:18:13,919 --> 01:18:11,230
was it in the Supervisory monthly our

1660
01:18:16,350 --> 01:18:13,929
weekly meetings and one of the engineers

1661
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:16,360
told us that there were there was a

1662
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:17,110
sighting

1663
01:18:23,879 --> 01:18:20,800
I was both blue and red light going and

1664
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:23,889
coming from the same space mmm in the

1665
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,560
field and nothing more was said we

1666
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:28,480
talked about it at that one meeting and

1667
01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:30,550
then about two weeks later nothing was

1668
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:32,980
said so I saw that engineer that

1669
01:18:37,770 --> 01:18:35,679
reported that at the meeting in the

1670
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,780
hallway and I said what did what became

1671
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:40,000
of that he said I don't know what you're

1672
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:42,900
talking about Marsha he was totally

1673
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:45,850
quieted you know it was totally you know

1674
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:49,300
did totally downplayed and so yes I do

1675
01:18:55,379 --> 01:18:52,810
believe there were many many people in

1676
01:18:57,959 --> 01:18:55,389
the in the byndex deep space tracking

1677
01:18:59,970 --> 01:18:57,969
station that I worked with that view

1678
01:19:03,830 --> 01:18:59,980
that there was energy and that there

1679
01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:03,840
were entities already aliens about us

1680
01:19:10,379 --> 01:19:07,060
yeah I'm sure there are and I'm sure

1681
01:19:13,229 --> 01:19:10,389
there are many now that that are kind of

1682
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:13,239
afraid to lose their jobs you hear about

1683
01:19:17,459 --> 01:19:15,489
them they're waiting in the wings we

1684
01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:17,469
have we have gods all of the world we

1685
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:19,270
have scientists we have people from all

1686
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,719
walks of life and they are in the same

1687
01:19:28,169 --> 01:19:25,360
agreement that that Marsha and I are

1688
01:19:30,899 --> 01:19:28,179
that that this is nothing this is a

1689
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:30,909
synthetic life that we're creating to

1690
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:32,530
experience and there's nothing wrong

1691
01:19:38,459 --> 01:19:34,330
with that at all because there's a lot

1692
01:19:41,340 --> 01:19:38,469
here to experience but but they have in

1693
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:41,350
their deeper thoughts or their

1694
01:19:45,689 --> 01:19:43,780
meditation realizing that you know

1695
01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:45,699
there's so much more that we're not

1696
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:49,060
using that would make everybody happy

1697
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,780
not just a few and but they they are

1698
01:20:01,320 --> 01:19:58,000
quietly behind the scenes waiting in the

1699
01:20:03,540 --> 01:20:01,330
wings to do what they do which is

1700
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:03,550
produced these these devices on

1701
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:07,449
different levels so to make life easier

1702
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:14,050
for everybody but we have the we have

1703
01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:17,860
the Secret Service we have the thought

1704
01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:20,350
police watching every move that we make

1705
01:20:27,209 --> 01:20:23,560
and in all the pods and we can go up to

1706
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,219
a line and talk about it and demonstrate

1707
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:29,920
to a small degree what we're doing but

1708
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:30,850
the minute we try

1709
01:20:35,820 --> 01:20:32,380
to step over that line they'll shut us

1710
01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:35,830
down they'll they wipe out the whole lab

1711
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:38,620
and take the people all right well okay

1712
01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:40,720
well talking about demonstrating I mean

1713
01:20:52,410 --> 01:20:46,920
you you actually your company actually

1714
01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:52,420
created a a prototype of the OTC device

1715
01:20:58,770 --> 01:20:55,240
that I think I remember you reading

1716
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:58,780
reading that it it actually did work and

1717
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,800
you were able to to operate it albeit

1718
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:05,920
briefly yes we had several devices there

1719
01:21:11,250 --> 01:21:08,470
wasn't just the one with that there we

1720
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:11,260
had two larger ones on a 45-foot scale

1721
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:14,530
level but the other smaller ones which

1722
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:16,780
was anywhere from 12 inches to three

1723
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:18,040
feet to whatever

1724
01:21:23,900 --> 01:21:22,450
we were exercising them around Apple

1725
01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:23,910
Valley

1726
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:28,150
Hesperia area and we've got several we

1727
01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:30,640
got documents that people that you know

1728
01:21:37,230 --> 01:21:34,660
saw what we were doing but we didn't

1729
01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:37,240
need the looky-loos to come in and see

1730
01:21:45,330 --> 01:21:40,780
us and one of these one of these

1731
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:45,340
characters was yes James Gillihan wasn't

1732
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,310
Gilliland who's his observance of the

1733
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:51,040
UFOs and everything are well-known and

1734
01:21:56,670 --> 01:21:52,540
he's up in Washington State

1735
01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:56,680
he used to see us operating these craft

1736
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:00,280
and his mother forbid him and kept him

1737
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:02,770
wet a they said those don't don't go

1738
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:06,340
over there so but but anyway that's yes

1739
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:09,910
there's many many crafts that are in

1740
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:12,850
full operation now but you have to use

1741
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:16,570
your imaging which is everything

1742
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,670
everything we see has been imaged which

1743
01:22:25,860 --> 01:22:21,760
is your imagination in the hospital

1744
01:22:27,690 --> 01:22:25,870
operation I'm sorry just what was the

1745
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:27,700
time frame you know what was the dates

1746
01:22:33,090 --> 01:22:30,670
that that this was going on with you

1747
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:33,100
know with you and these prototypes

1748
01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:37,570
well that's 59 and 60 okay all right I'm

1749
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:39,580
sorry excuse me for interrupting your

1750
01:22:44,670 --> 01:22:41,830
chain of thought there well that's okay

1751
01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:44,680
I know you want to get get this

1752
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:47,740
before the show end so I'll jump to the

1753
01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:51,340
actual thing the actual operation of the

1754
01:22:56,820 --> 01:22:53,020
craft that I was involved with and that

1755
01:23:01,140 --> 01:22:56,830
was a 45-foot crab we called we we had

1756
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:01,150
we have had proven the prototypes on

1757
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:04,810
many levels and Wayne aho who was our PR

1758
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:08,890
man at the time called General Motors

1759
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:12,070
and said we have some ideas we like to

1760
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:14,710
talk to you about and in in motivation

1761
01:23:20,490 --> 01:23:18,730
and things and can we meet nice they

1762
01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:20,500
said yeah I'll send somebody out so we

1763
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,040
met her up and and we engaged with what

1764
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:26,800
we have we had we had a small 12-inch

1765
01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:30,940
model in a suitcase you know actually a

1766
01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:36,160
release and we were saying we'd like to

1767
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,160
take the car that's spinning their

1768
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:42,400
wheels vertically and and take that

1769
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:45,730
wheel and put it horizontally and lift

1770
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:47,620
it off the earth and stop putting down

1771
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:49,930
cement over Gardens and killing animals

1772
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:53,530
over large - rings and get it in the air

1773
01:23:58,410 --> 01:23:55,800
they say are you guys crazy

1774
01:24:00,960 --> 01:23:58,420
that was that was her statement Nathan

1775
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:00,970
and we went on to explain it to them

1776
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:04,810
that that the energy fields that we were

1777
01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:07,570
working with was all night medic in

1778
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:10,750
nature not electromagnetic but pure

1779
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:12,550
magnetism there's a big difference

1780
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:17,890
mm-hmm and so about that time car popped

1781
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:20,050
open the police and the little craft

1782
01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:21,730
came out and moved around the room and

1783
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:24,100
everything and they were they were you

1784
01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:25,690
know wondering well they they must have

1785
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:27,400
some kind of remote saw this is in the

1786
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:31,990
fifties so we didn't have their remotes

1787
01:24:37,530 --> 01:24:34,960
and and buttons basically what you guys

1788
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:37,540
made taking a jacket off I'm gonna scan

1789
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:39,850
you and so that's all we did they said

1790
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:42,070
well there's nothing nothing here that

1791
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:43,780
they have well how you're operating it

1792
01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:46,900
well now I have to say this first

1793
01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:49,060
because what I'm gonna say next is going

1794
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:52,360
to be a little borderline doubtful why

1795
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:56,710
people but but the University of

1796
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,310
Minnesota

1797
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:01,520
the science department has and you can

1798
01:25:08,490 --> 01:25:04,310
document this by looking it up on on

1799
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:08,500
YouTube what was the name of that Melman

1800
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:12,680
energy oh my god I can't they've got a

1801
01:25:18,370 --> 01:25:15,770
program on and they use the gymnasium

1802
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:18,380
there and at the University and you I

1803
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:24,110
can't remember that I know it'll come to

1804
01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:26,600
me maybe but in the gymnasium they had

1805
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:29,540
small craft that they had that I owed on

1806
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:32,150
a guy's skullcap many but he was

1807
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:34,510
operating everything with his mind

1808
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,770
there's no problem that's a wireless

1809
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:38,840
communication between you and the object

1810
01:25:43,930 --> 01:25:41,510
or whatever was and they were they were

1811
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:43,940
getting away with it because they said

1812
01:25:51,690 --> 01:25:46,310
this is for people that are terribly

1813
01:25:53,890 --> 01:25:51,700
Jeter are quite a quad club a

1814
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:53,900
quadriplegic I can't pronounce my words

1815
01:26:00,160 --> 01:25:57,440
and we can usually have them use their

1816
01:26:02,980 --> 01:26:00,170
mind too I'm hungry and can you bring me

1817
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:02,990
some food or water or something so and

1818
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:05,450
and so they were they were they're still

1819
01:26:09,460 --> 01:26:07,510
being funded now on the premise that

1820
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:09,470
someday we're gonna get things off the

1821
01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:11,750
ground with just using our minds

1822
01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:17,990
well anyway where were we oh so when we

1823
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:19,340
were asked how do you operate these

1824
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:20,840
things we told them we're just using our

1825
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:23,090
mind we're focusing on on a different

1826
01:26:29,530 --> 01:26:24,740
level we're not using thought at all

1827
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,540
we're using feelings from our internal

1828
01:26:36,940 --> 01:26:31,520
organs if you will in our heart in our

1829
01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:36,950
brain to synchronize between us and and

1830
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:40,700
the craft and when we told them that it

1831
01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:43,670
is just as much alive as you are that

1832
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:47,260
that did it he just you know he wasn't

1833
01:26:53,710 --> 01:26:52,070
wasn't his patience was waning and we

1834
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:53,720
told them that you couldn't have an

1835
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:56,000
accident in the craft he said well there

1836
01:27:01,570 --> 01:26:57,440
goes your insurance companies and

1837
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,580
everything they don't want that so so in

1838
01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:03,920
it flow around and they look in through

1839
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:06,020
the we had electrons at the top of the

1840
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:08,780
the model that we showed them and they

1841
01:27:13,780 --> 01:27:11,690
can look into the the pilot

1842
01:27:15,210 --> 01:27:13,790
compartment and he's aware where's your

1843
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:15,220
ignition where's your steering wheel

1844
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:19,730
this is the words they use we we don't

1845
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:22,550
need them in reality in an authentic

1846
01:27:29,290 --> 01:27:25,130
reality you need nothing but your mind

1847
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:29,300
to do everything unlimitedly where we

1848
01:27:36,570 --> 01:27:32,650
think we are we could do hardly anything

1849
01:27:38,980 --> 01:27:36,580
that isn't already limited and we either

1850
01:27:40,750 --> 01:27:38,990
throw it away and say well I guess

1851
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:40,760
that's that's never gonna happen then

1852
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:43,790
stuff and it won't until they start

1853
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:45,890
feeling their way through life which is

1854
01:27:52,420 --> 01:27:47,690
quite different than thinking orally

1855
01:27:53,890 --> 01:27:52,430
so anyway cars up well and they're not

1856
01:27:55,780 --> 01:27:53,900
going to buy this and when we left they

1857
01:27:57,550 --> 01:27:55,790
said car you put them up we're going to

1858
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,560
shoot you down we can't have this you're

1859
01:28:01,690 --> 01:27:59,120
going to we have a hundred thousand of

1860
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:01,700
people on the payroll and you're telling

1861
01:28:08,350 --> 01:28:05,690
us and car did say at that point don't

1862
01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:08,360
you realize that if you give people the

1863
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:11,780
opportunity to do what they envisioned

1864
01:28:17,470 --> 01:28:15,170
or they imagined they could do to be a

1865
01:28:22,090 --> 01:28:17,480
creative being and create magnificent

1866
01:28:23,890 --> 01:28:22,100
things the world has never seen yet but

1867
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:23,900
they're restricted because they have to

1868
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:25,340
go to work and they have to come home

1869
01:28:29,170 --> 01:28:26,930
and go to bed so they can get up and go

1870
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:29,180
to work and kiss and and it goes on like

1871
01:28:35,020 --> 01:28:31,370
a squirrel cage over and over all the

1872
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,030
time and he says well that's the system

1873
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:36,560
we live in what are they were you guys

1874
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:40,280
thrown hmm and he's a no he you get out

1875
01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:43,450
of here and forget General Motors is

1876
01:28:48,250 --> 01:28:46,280
doing anything along those lines

1877
01:28:50,650 --> 01:28:48,260
you would have enjoyed reading an

1878
01:28:53,770 --> 01:28:50,660
article that appears in this month's

1879
01:28:57,610 --> 01:28:53,780
edition of the 14 times about Gabriel

1880
01:29:01,330 --> 01:28:57,620
Greene who lives down there in Yucca

1881
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:01,340
Valley California Joshua Tree he had a

1882
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:07,310
plan for a moneyless system that he he

1883
01:29:12,510 --> 01:29:09,940
claimed that was given to him by the

1884
01:29:15,460 --> 01:29:12,520
space brothers or something along that

1885
01:29:19,780 --> 01:29:15,470
line it is it's very intriguing you know

1886
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:19,790
Gabe ran for president in 1964 it was

1887
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:24,650
Gabe and 80 18 to the 64 and

1888
01:29:30,939 --> 01:29:27,830
and Gabriel green the years decades

1889
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,949
later so we have had a UFO a

1890
01:29:36,250 --> 01:29:32,719
presidential candidate but of course

1891
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:36,260
he's passed away now but he has some

1892
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:40,370
intriguing information and indeed well a

1893
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,290
lot of my friends in those days were the

1894
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,239
people that traveled with us around in

1895
01:29:49,209 --> 01:29:46,880
intense trying to get the idea across

1896
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:49,219
the people with Gabriel green and then

1897
01:29:54,610 --> 01:29:51,230
Taos Island oh yeah

1898
01:29:58,270 --> 01:29:54,620
and George hunt Williams and they're all

1899
01:30:00,990 --> 01:29:58,280
oh we were all in the same mindset so it

1900
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:01,000
was beautiful we could in those green

1901
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:05,120
pods that you saw somebody will saw them

1902
01:30:09,790 --> 01:30:07,370
we're common around every time we set up

1903
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:09,800
a tent to talk there'd be all over the

1904
01:30:17,229 --> 01:30:13,360
place green earth the green or chop and

1905
01:30:19,870 --> 01:30:17,239
so but what but Carson well let's go

1906
01:30:22,060 --> 01:30:19,880
let's go and he said it's too bad

1907
01:30:24,669 --> 01:30:22,070
because we've been this has been trying

1908
01:30:26,649 --> 01:30:24,679
to happen for years and and and and it's

1909
01:30:29,410 --> 01:30:26,659
okay Peter people don't want to get it's

1910
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:29,420
okay but they've dug themselves into a

1911
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:32,150
deep deep hole and they're threatened by

1912
01:30:39,939 --> 01:30:34,510
a now and my elation or instinct

1913
01:30:43,899 --> 01:30:39,949
instinct well now any any chance that

1914
01:30:46,209 --> 01:30:43,909
any of this will ever be revealed or

1915
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:46,219
made available to the the public or is

1916
01:30:52,630 --> 01:30:48,770
it a lost cause are you still working on

1917
01:30:56,110 --> 01:30:52,640
any of these devices we have hundreds of

1918
01:30:58,180 --> 01:30:56,120
pods around the world and this this can

1919
01:31:00,700 --> 01:30:58,190
be you can communicate with a pod

1920
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:00,710
yourself on on Blue Star Enterprise

1921
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:03,230
that's our website and you can you can

1922
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:04,760
get in touch with many people that are

1923
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:09,170
working on things now very close to what

1924
01:31:16,030 --> 01:31:12,110
what we were doing in in Apple Valley in

1925
01:31:18,490 --> 01:31:16,040
the late fifties so that's it it's it

1926
01:31:22,090 --> 01:31:18,500
that's a great thing to to know you

1927
01:31:23,919 --> 01:31:22,100
should have yourself maybe a mini

1928
01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:23,929
convention of some time and get all

1929
01:31:29,979 --> 01:31:27,020
these people together and you know put

1930
01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:29,989
some of these devices on display well

1931
01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:31,670
that's that's the funny thing you should

1932
01:31:36,580 --> 01:31:33,380
mention that but that's where we differ

1933
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:36,590
in how we get things done naturally we

1934
01:31:40,750 --> 01:31:38,690
wait for nature to invite us or

1935
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:40,760
wait for the people when they're ready

1936
01:31:45,850 --> 01:31:43,520
to let's see what you got then we come

1937
01:31:48,189 --> 01:31:45,860
into the picture otherwise we just stay

1938
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:48,199
quiet and let people experience anything

1939
01:31:53,410 --> 01:31:50,870
they want working their way up to do a

1940
01:31:55,959 --> 01:31:53,420
collective consciousness that has no

1941
01:31:57,550 --> 01:31:55,969
limitations yeah if you're right if you

1942
01:31:58,780 --> 01:31:57,560
try to force the issue

1943
01:32:03,520 --> 01:31:58,790
you'll just be hitting a brick wall

1944
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:03,530
every time yeah I I would have hoped

1945
01:32:10,570 --> 01:32:08,030
that some of this some of this

1946
01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:10,580
information and devices would be made

1947
01:32:17,740 --> 01:32:14,120
accessible to the world in my lifetime

1948
01:32:19,390 --> 01:32:17,750
but I can see well some of it has been

1949
01:32:21,340 --> 01:32:19,400
questionable questionable there's no

1950
01:32:23,050 --> 01:32:21,350
doubt about it I mean you know some of

1951
01:32:26,260 --> 01:32:23,060
the theories are are kind of far-fetched

1952
01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:26,270
they're by by all means but it's it's

1953
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:28,040
like nobody is even willing to take a

1954
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:30,890
you look at them I mean there is no peer

1955
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:34,370
study there's no communication with the

1956
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:37,760
you know the academic community or

1957
01:32:42,459 --> 01:32:40,130
anything well I think it's a Tim is it

1958
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:42,469
approaching the midnight hour here yeah

1959
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,090
yeah we it's it's getting close to

1960
01:32:50,290 --> 01:32:46,960
you're in the program so I think that

1961
01:32:52,650 --> 01:32:50,300
what we let our guests a litter audience

1962
01:32:55,810 --> 01:32:52,660
know a little bit more where they can

1963
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:55,820
find out about them on the web so Ralph

1964
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:58,400
and Marsha you know what's your what's

1965
01:33:04,930 --> 01:33:01,040
your website and and I guess that you've

1966
01:33:07,540 --> 01:33:04,940
got a is a convention coming up later at

1967
01:33:09,939 --> 01:33:07,550
this month yes we do it's going to be a

1968
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:09,949
Mont just it's called a mouse Chester

1969
01:33:15,820 --> 01:33:13,610
summer conference and we have a we have

1970
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:15,830
one of the interesting people there is a

1971
01:33:22,750 --> 01:33:20,210
lady from Venus that is blowing people

1972
01:33:25,090 --> 01:33:22,760
away why what she knows and and talks

1973
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:25,100
about but we're scheduled both Marsha

1974
01:33:32,620 --> 01:33:27,410
and I are scheduled to talk that's on

1975
01:33:37,810 --> 01:33:32,630
the what is the July 27th to the 29th

1976
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:37,820
27th 28th and 29th at not Shasta and so

1977
01:33:44,650 --> 01:33:39,170
if anybody's interested you can look

1978
01:33:48,220 --> 01:33:44,660
they can find that blob on our website

1979
01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:48,230
and our website is blue star blue star

1980
01:33:55,060 --> 01:33:52,040
Enterprise all one word.com and

1981
01:33:58,360 --> 01:33:55,070
they can go on there and they can they

1982
01:33:59,860 --> 01:33:58,370
can look at Kate on their pilots that

1983
01:34:01,960 --> 01:33:59,870
are flying their planes with just their

1984
01:34:05,260 --> 01:34:01,970
mind they're not using control you know

1985
01:34:07,150 --> 01:34:05,270
wonderful and and you'll find all kinds

1986
01:34:09,850 --> 01:34:07,160
of things on Blue Star that will keep

1987
01:34:11,980 --> 01:34:09,860
your imagination and show you the

1988
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:11,990
difference between feeling your way and

1989
01:34:16,780 --> 01:34:13,490
thinking your way through life it's

1990
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:16,790
quite a contrast all right and and

1991
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:18,800
Wilbur what about what about you you got

1992
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:24,380
a website I've got UFO DC calm for

1993
01:34:29,650 --> 01:34:27,050
people can Google Wilbur Allen YouTube

1994
01:34:31,390 --> 01:34:29,660
channel or Wilbur Allen National

1995
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:31,400
Geographic they can get out access to

1996
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:34,310
all of my photographic and video video

1997
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:38,470
work well also too we have our youtube

1998
01:34:44,860 --> 01:34:40,370
version of the show

1999
01:34:46,570 --> 01:34:44,870
mr. UFO secret files and if you have no

2000
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:46,580
objections we'll take some of the stills

2001
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,010
and material and add that to the audio

2002
01:34:54,130 --> 01:34:51,440
here and everybody will have a two hours

2003
01:34:56,740 --> 01:34:54,140
of digging in digging into the

2004
01:35:00,030 --> 01:34:56,750
information even even more we were on

2005
01:35:02,710 --> 01:35:00,040
stitcher we're on iTunes and Google

2006
01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:02,720
something rather my goodness and of

2007
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:05,270
course I think and of course on K cor

2008
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:07,970
radio.com Thank You Tina

2009
01:35:12,610 --> 01:35:10,490
thank you Peter thank you Carol thank

2010
01:35:15,130 --> 01:35:12,620
you Tim thank you my guest this evening

2011
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:15,140
wonderful show and let the key

2012
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:16,730
information keep it coming

2013
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:19,310
one last word if people are interested

2014
01:35:25,420 --> 01:35:21,710
all they have to do is type in my name

2015
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:25,430
Ralph frame on YouTube and to be score

2016
01:35:29,260 --> 01:35:28,010
the things that are talking about what I

2017
01:35:31,810 --> 01:35:29,270
didn't really have a chance to finish

2018
01:35:36,490 --> 01:35:31,820
tonight well we'll get you back on and

2019
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2020
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2021
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2024
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2025
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2026
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